I have been doing some long hard studying on this. A solo social study if you will. And I have done my own monitoring on characters both personally (in my own life) as well as publicly with characters like Glenn Beck.
We the People are in danger and it is dire – far more than most can tell!
I say this in deliberate jest to coin a warning style form Beck but I am serious!
First I must write a short disclosure.
I like Glenn Beck, I subscribe to his TV program, and he is #2 on my list of “truth tellers” with Levin #1 and Rush #3. I listen to Levin and Rush full shows daily. My perspective comes from the viewpoint of Conservatism FIRST. I do not consider Conservatism a party rather a ‘way of life’. It is the foundation our country’s founding fathers used, it is a life-style not a political system and one must deny it as a party. Those of us as self-proclaimed Conservatives choose this ideology despite the voting ballot label. Hell, the Green party is on there so how valid is a label on a ballot anyway.
The only way I can explain my troubling observations is via real life examples. The first being my personal experience and last my validation via the public figures and events which expose my personal accounts.
My point is this; the 2009 Obama election was the event which sealed the Progressive movement of taking over the Democrat party. Blue-Dogs and traditional Liberal’s are without a party now and since the late Goldwater days many of them have seen this coming and switched parties. I believe this is how we have arrived at a “Moderate Republican Party”. This new Dem party is now in the process of taking over completely the Republican Party and destroying. What I see is they’re taking advantage of the right’s disarray and confusion. The Libertarians are also trying to take advantage of this situation and control the Republican Party. The Progressives must stop this so they are attempting to co-opting Libertarians via their similarities of extremism and destruction.
Now allow me to explain.
I work with Progressives, traditional Democrats and Anarchistic Libertarian’s. I know this as fact because the Dem’s I know and the Pro’s I know voted for Obama and were out of the closet proud of it. The Libertarian is an Anarchist because with a little probing I found out their vote went to a wasted candidate (AKA Obama right?). I conclude Libertarians are Anarchists because bot publicly and locally all I hear is; “both parties are messed up and both must go…”. I am sure you have heard this too from people you know and from Ron Paul et al.
NOW WITH THAT SAID AND BEFORE I LAUNCH, ADMISSION: I am NOT anti-parties, I am anti-CORRUPTION and how the parties get there is via the ‘will of the people’, we have elected this chaos, (voting has consequences) and while it is our fault DC has this much power we are also a society that likes to blame someone else – so we the voter are accustomed to blaming the parties. It is NOT the parties its the PEOPLE!
So I have watched both ideals personally and nationally adopt Libertarianism for these reasons:
- The Progressives aren’t going far enough for the Leftist radicals
- Total destruction isn’t coming fast enough for the Anarchists
- A weakened Republican Party is being overtaken by the old Liberal Dem’s while the Libertarians are also fighting for the party power
For the Libertarians and the Progressives its a match made in heaven for one purpose, destroy the Republican Party. This is happening at break-neck speed because they are almost a match made in heaven. But I contend that when and if they accomplish this, if Conservatives do NOT stand and fight, it will be hell on earth.
Let’s look at this relationship.
First; The commonality
Both Progressives and Libertarians hold a hard-liner non-compromising ideology, both hate the current system (disparate from reasoning) and both believe the solution is total Destruction of the American way of life. The latter is key! They both want a level of destruction but they are NOT for the same reasons.
Second; The marriage
From their similarity is where the marriage is made. This is why I have witnessed personally and nationally Liberals and Progressives adopt Libertarianism, (the left are political chameleons and Libertarians are opportunists), but the goal for both is to place the squeeze on the Republican’s and ultimately take-over or eliminate the party. This will fulfill the goal of “FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMING AMERICA”. But for the Libertarians there is a different reason. It is to just simply destroy the Republican party, devastate the Conservatives and control the mantel then recreate a pre-Constitutional America with near total freedom from government. AKA Anarchy, wild-wild-west!
So you see, while these two entities have commonality their goals are far from the same. But in the process, Progressives are going to convince Libertarians “we are the same because our enemy (the “Rs”) are the problem. The Libertarians are trying to convince the Conservatives and the “Rs” they are the same cause the enemy is the Progressives. But the real sucker here is the Conservative because if we play into the hands of either we will be committing suicide as there truly is NO commonality at all with Conservatives and Libertarians OR Progressives. The Conservatives goal is far different, it is the save the Union and preserve law for a ‘common’ people. Not a group or groups of people but for all American’s.
Now to my point!
Why then is Beck and many other public figures who were self-defined Conservatives now adopting Libertarianism Again, Libertarians Whom I do not consider Conservative despite their claim to it – they are Anarchists at their root just like Leftists are Progressives at their root. Because I believe Beck and the rest in the dust of this election are suffering from political schizophrenia. Many of their predictions failed. Their noted warnings against Romney were heard but their two-faced support only created more self-inflicted frustration. This leads to a lack of understanding the simple. They are over complicating the scene and becoming blinded by their over analysis.
So lets focus on a prominent public figure Beck. I contend this was inevitable with Beck based on his own history. While I do not know the man personally I have frighteningly close similarities like the adoption of Mormonism, former drinking issues and politics. But where we differ is our approaches to all these. He went from drunk to Mormon in a very short time-line. This is just like the American people blaming the parties for their own voting stupidity (mostly voting party line then wondering why it’s still screwed up). Beck was really not looking internally for his solution to his issues but reached out for an external force to fix him – AKA blaming God in my opinion. This type of act is extreme and people only seek religion from the opposite extreme because they’re not founded within themselves personally. Hear me out – I am not saying this is completely wrong, there is an ‘A’ for effort. It may work for some but it is one of the highest failure rates for personal intervention techniques that I know of. So this act by Beck and his current vacillation in political perspectives provides better insight and understanding of the man as well as others whom make rapid movements in life.
Example: His pontification failure rate absolutely does not qualify him to be exalted to the national stage on politics when he’s not truly balanced with himself and God first.
I still congratulate him for opening our eyes to a lot when Fox and the lame-stream media left us all out to dry. When Beck had his staff work on investigating events and he reported it, oftentimes humorously brilliant, this is highly commendable and changed the course of politics. Don’t forget, he said what we all thought and got fired for it; “Obama is a racist”. And he was RIGHT! But by this point he made so many other predictions many including myself we wondering what is going on. He launched GBTV and returned to being Beck but now with his 3rd party talk out of seemingly nowhere I am left to wonder if the self-delusion is creeping back in. Beck is announcing his adoption of Libertarianism for the same self-rationale to stop drinking - because no one at church does it. His self inflicted weakness is allowing himself to be co-opted by a false narrative. I am not picking on Glenn, he is just a public example of my personal experience with the phenomena.
If we allow this to continue as Conservatives and fail to stop it, it will be a permanent failure for the whole country. It will possibly mean permanent devastation to America.
Honestly, the more logical move would be taking back our Republican Party (which Glenn was for before he was against it). We do this via the Tea Party movement. And FYI- we in the Tea Party are doing this despite him and the rest of the Rove’s and Morris’ and We the People in the Tea Party will restore the Republican Party’s Conservative founding. But we cannot do this alone and I do NOT want to see a power-house like Beck go astray. We need his clout.
Once we restore the Republican Party to its rightful owner, Conservative philosophy, we will begin to restore the stark contrast between left and right giving people what they want – a choice. Once we put into place a majority of people with real courage and principal, getting back in the left’s face and show bold color contrast, we begin the restoration to our founders vision which was just left of Libertarianism and far right of center!
It is important to not look for more external forces to fix the issue but I digress.
Becks irrationality has gone so far as to start advocating a 3rd party. Now let’s not go down the road of “what our founders thought and envisioned”, which is so far from NOT reality today that it’s simply an insane and false hope. A 3rd party ‘right now’ only complicates the chaos and introduces more chaos. When government is also restored to its proper role, have all the 3rd parties you want! Until then we have a country to save and save it from a ONE party system being implemented right now!
Listen to me! This move to a 3rd party play’s right into the hands of the two extremes – Progressives and Libertarian Anarchists!
So the same frustration that drove Beck out of the Republican Party (like myself) is also driving him right into their poker hand. Leave the party, change your political label, this in itself makes a huge statement to the party and behind the scenes TAKE IT BACK! This is what I and many others are doing in the Tea Party groups. Beck, I think, is blinded by his ‘self’ and rapid rise to celeb status in the political scene. This is another result of the extreme move from drunk to Mormon to political pop-culture icon. He’s allowing his frustration emotion get the best of him.
But our real danger is these two political extremes. We do not see eye to eye on more than we do so when Beck says we can ‘come together on certain issues’, he fundamentally does not understand the war.
There can only be ONE winner!
That winner must do it honestly and with absolute truth!
That winner must also be ready to ‘help thy enemy’ after we defeat them!
NO WHERE is this a policy of Libertarians or Progressives. They start from the point of selfish and end with ‘it’s all mine now’. It’s in their policies, their actions and words – I do NOT need to give examples you can hear but are probably ignoring it like most. Well I’m not because this is SERIOUS. We are about to lose our country and its God inspired founding to NUT JOBS!
Ultimately we will lose our lives because the extreme behaviors of the now joined coalition, LIBERALtarians, is nothing short of a self-inflicted gunshot.

Wow! Not more than a day of writing this I am afraid its all coming true. This is scary!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/02/10/eric-cantor-channels-bill-clinton.html
Poli, my son is a Libertarian. I do not find them to be in line with anarchists. Actually, I find the party to be in closer alignment with the founding fathers. That said, you have presented some very interesting arguments against a third party.
In my mind, if the Republicans don’t turn their act around (which it appears as if they won’t) they can kiss my pearly fat ass goodbye.
I thought I was clear that not all Libertarians are Anarchists. Its not smart to make such a leap. But I would also contend that I could create a list of topics like legalization of drugs etc and find out real quick of they are true Libers or Conservatives. I think most that are self identified Libers are only in protest of the Republican party and RIGHTFULLY SO. I changed parties before this last election to Independent just to send a message to both Repubs and Conserves.
But far too many if not most are anti law and that is anti founding – massively. No founder believed in the modern Libertarians definition of limited government which is near zero laws. That is Anarchy.
Some personal history. My son was an alcoholic. He has now been sober for nearly 10 years. He currently counsels men twice his age. He is very intelligent and very good at what he does. Although I am not thrilled with his religion (Taoism,) I do know that his political beliefs are based upon those of the founding fathers. He does own guns.
I do not know his stance on drugs. I know that when I’ve spoken to him on alcoholics, he tells me that the person must ultimately decide on their own to change their path.
Personally, I feel as if illegal drugs are legalised, it will not make the world a safer place. And yet, properly prescribed legal drugs have caused scores of deaths. What is safer? Better question: What is wiser?
I suppose you are correct in your summation that there are liberal libertarians and conservative libertarians. I think that was what you were trying to say…..my blond roots are coming through…..
Again, your son is the exception to the rule – their always is one and I have nothing but admiration for him. Anyone that can better their lives by any means possible is good.
But in ‘context’ of my post, if anyone does this via external forces rather than their own inter will has an extremely high recidivism rate. I know this personally, I know this from many military friends, family, co-workers… I could list a full page of people.
But you said something with needs to be highlighted.
“properly prescribed legal drugs have caused scores of deaths”
Why do you think this is? Without actual evidence I am going to make a personal observation – GOVERNMENT. Follow the timeline on when government began its influence on the medical system, having watched my own dad tell me all his life to stay away from prescription drugs while now in his 70′s holding drawers full of them, hearing him constantly complain about a variety of issues he did not have prior… I am just putting 2 and 2 together.
Last, what I was trying to say is that the two – Libertarians (true Libers) and Progressives (the ones in current power) are both of similar mold; they are both extremists and their commonality is to see our current system destroyed. But both for separate reasons and again, that doesn’t matter, its the fact they want to see the current system to fail hard.
Hope we’re clear now
Yes, yes. I’m very fond of you, Poli.